I tried for two weeks to place an order with this company. They don’t return phone calls. When you do get ahold of someone… they inform you that the website has not been updated in months«because the owners don’t care» not my words… the words of their salesman! So after many days or calculations and recalculations… on what they really had in stock… I tried for two more days with no luck so I was forced to place my $ 2500 order with another company. They came highly recommended to me… but ended up just wasting two weeks of my time and now I have two houses with new gutters and no chains. So bottom line is: Don’t waste your time with disgruntled employees and owners who don’t care!